ogle, nevada, ohio, like a couple percentage points that makes a difference. the people that are less likely voters but there are always moments and there are moments during the campaign where you think -- >> how bad after that first debate? >> i'm surprised that's what you brought up. [laughter] >> the first debate as someone that's worked on and off for about six years and i was there the whole time from beginning to end in 2007, 2008 the first was very important for us and it's probably a defining point for us and it reminded a lot of loss of when we lost the new hampshire primary in 2008. when you kind of thing we are in a good place and then you think hold on. the first debate going into, you don't know how you are going to do. no one knows. you can talk to everyone who's been a part of its but we didn't know how it was going to go. afterwards we didn't actually think it was as bad as everybody else did and we all went out on tv and talk to everybody in the was only until a day or so later. >> but you had seen twitter which was melting. >> twitter was mel